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Emusing
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Username: emusing

Post Number: 2678
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 2:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

REVISION:

THE ROAD DOWN

The shop owner paints The Day of the Dead
in miniature. Small cut-outs of Kahlo's head
float on strips of wood. A skeleton pulls
a chair up to the bar, his eyes glittering
rubies. He talks too much, prattles on
about the Ladinos, the ladies who work

on his petite theaters. There is something
condescending in his gringo skin.
The way he knows all the rituals —-
like Santa Elena de la Cruz who takes nails
from the Cross, pins her lover's heart
to make him loyal. There is a milagro —-

a Mexican religious charm depicts
a heart with a dagger in it.
"Where do you think Cupid came from?"
Twelve hours later I'm going south
on a damned bus to Zacatecas through desert
and dearth. There is trash trapped

in the ditches. Nothing changes here. The bus
slows for construction. Just enough time
to see a man emerge from the market. He looks
at me through the window, eyes rotted
from too many Coronas. I think of Christ,

how he called my cell but never left
a message. Hung himself above my bed
at The Inn of the Nuns in room 26.
His breath seeped out of the rusted
pipes. He knows his shape was sculpted
from a six-pointed star. "Listen, God --

Santa Elena has taken a nail from your Cross
and used it to pin her lovers. Why do they
always leave me?" I still cry for that bastard.
The bus speeds up again. Christ joins the burros
ahead, never looks back.

ORIGINAL:

The shop owner paints The Day of the Dead
in miniature. Small cut outs of Kahlo’s head
float on strips of wood. A skeleton pulls
up a chair to the bar, his red eyes glittering
like rubies. He talks too much. Prattles on
about the Ladinos. The ladies who work

on his petite theaters. There is something
condescending in his pasty gringo skin.
The way he knows all the rituals—
like Santa Elena de la Cruz who takes nails
from the Cross, pinning her lover’s heart
to make him loyal. There is a milagro—

a Mexican religious charm, that shows a heart
with a dagger in it. “Where do you think Cupid
came from?” Twelve hours later I’m still
on this damn bus to Zacatecas. It’s the hell
ride south through desert and dearth.
There is trash trapped in the ditches

like an apathetic upheaval. Nothing will change
these rotten lives. The bus slows down
for the construction. Just enough time
to see a Mexican man emerge from the market.
He looks directly at me through the window
eyes rotted from too many Coronas.

I think of Christ and how he called
on my cell but never left a message. Hung
himself above my bed at The Inn of the Nuns
nailed to the wall of room 26. His breath
seeped out of the rusted pipes waiting
above the fireplace. He knows his shape
was sculpted from a six pointed star.

“Listen God, Santa Elena has taken a nail
from your Cross and used it to pin her lovers.
Why is it they always leave me?” I still cry
for that bastard. The bus picks up again.
Christ joins the burros just ahead
never looks back.

Alternate end:

Why is it they always leave me?” The bus
picks up again. Christ joins the burros
up ahead and never looks back. I still cry
for that bastard.
sue kay
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Username: suekay

Post Number: 92
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 3:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

E, this poem is a nail, that pins the reader, and never lets go. This work is so satisfying, in imagery and craft, its hard to critique. I like the alternate ending better, tho I wonder why you left out "never looks back." I think it is important.

coupla minor nits,

up a chair to the bar, his red eyes glittering
[like] rubies. He talks too much. Prattles on


There is a milagro—

[a Mexican religiou charm],consider leaving this out, trust your reader to know that shows a heart
with a daggar in it. “Where do you think Cupid
came from?” Twelve hours later I’m still
on this damn bus to Zacatecas. [It’s the hell
ride]not sure you need this, we already know where we are :^] south through desert and dearth.
There is trash trapped in the ditches

[like an apathetic upheaval].this is a little awkward for me, apathetic and upheaval are a little at odds Nothing will change
these rotten lives. The bus slows down
for the construction. Just enough time
to see a [Mexican] dont' think you need this, we know where we are man emerge from the market.
He looks directly at me through the window
eyes rotted from too many Coronas.

At any rate this piece delivers everything I want in a poem. Wonderful.

Sue





Lazarus
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Username: lazarus

Post Number: 1027
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 7:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Wow! and one more Wow! The second is for the little picks that Sue made on a more than fine poem that would make it even better!

Yes this delivers, on so many levels.
And the earth, bristling and raw, tiny and lost resumes its search; rushing through the vast astonishment- Ted Hughes, from His Legs Ran About.
SplinterGroup
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Username: splinter

Post Number: 1005
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 9:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

There is always that same thing about your poetry that I can never quite do myself and that is the sharp edged very very clear quality about it. The pain in this piece is very evident. Palpable. The images are very clear and undeniable. I'm jealous.

Addotto
Teresa White
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Username: teresa_white

Post Number: 548
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 9:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

E,

What a wonderful ride your poem is! Sue has already given you some great suggestions to make this even stronger.

I find this to be a most sophisticated poem --one that really delivers. Love all your attention to detail.

My favorite stanza is this:

I think of Christ and how he called
on my cell but never left a message. Hung
himself above my bed at The Inn of the Nuns
nailed to the wall of room 26. His breath
seeped out of the rusted pipes waiting
above the fireplace. He knows his shape
was sculpted from a six pointed star.

Excellent poem!!

Teresa
Emusing
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Username: emusing

Post Number: 2684
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Sue I put the alternate end back in below the piece. I think I have reconstructed it. After reading your post this morning, I decided to leave it there to allow other readers the option of voting. The second end is more sinister and I could use it as long as there is ambiguity (is the narrator speaking of Christ as a bastard or of the last man that left her). Apart from that immediate thought, thank you for going over my poem in such detail. I think you found exactly those points that need tweaking. As picky as I am with other poet's poetry, I'm picky of critiques too! Thank you for seeing into this work.

Laz thank you. Come back a little later when I've posted a revision will ya?

Splinta for you to be jealous of me is 500% compensation.

Teresa, considering what a wonderful poet you are, I take great pride in your comments.

I'll be back all.

E
M. Kathryn Black
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Username: kathryn

Post Number: 3018
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 4:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Emusing, fabulous work. Don't hit me but I liked the original better--still undecided about the endings. I know you'll make the right choice.
Best, Kathryn
Lazarus
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Username: lazarus

Post Number: 1037
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 5:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

E- I miss these lines in your original:

Twelve hours later I’m still
on this damn bus to Zacatecas. It’s the hell
ride south through desert and dearth.
There is trash trapped in the ditches

like an apathetic upheaval. Nothing will change
these rotten lives.

At first I was thinking you might take out 'apathetic upheaval' But it discribes the people and place and the situation so well, that I'm for it now. And I miss 'hell ride.'

All other edits help the piece and I vote for the ending you have, not the alternate.
And the earth, bristling and raw, tiny and lost resumes its search; rushing through the vast astonishment- Ted Hughes, from His Legs Ran About.
Emusing
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Username: emusing

Post Number: 2688
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 6:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Kathryn, thank you for the vote of confidence. I'm glad you like the original. Tough to know what to keep and what to toss.

Funny Laz, I was just ruminating over
that "apathetic upheaval." Its a bit of an oxymoron that seemed true. There is SO much trash in these ditches and it goes on for miles and miles and I think...doesn't anyone care? Why doesn't anyone come out here and clean this up? The landscape is breathtaking and yet the contast of the filth is depressing. Well the politics of Mexico are quite complex. I hope one day honesty in government rains, reins, reigns. Let's not even talk about the U.S. The corruption is deeper than any oil well..

Thanks for coming back. I'll wait for a few more takers and then make the final changes.

E
Zephyr
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Username: zephyr

Post Number: 3795
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

A fascinating poem E, I like original best, btw typo on dagger, I would keep the dagger bit, only local people would know what milagro is...I didn't have a clue.!

(Message edited by zephyr on February 03, 2006)
LJ Cohen
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Username: ljc

Post Number: 3914
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 3:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

E--this is stellar. A well realized, complex read that is as disturbing as it is powerful. I prefer this ending, but would be happy with either.

"Santa Elena has taken a nail from your Cross
and used it to pin her lovers. Why is it they
always leave me?" I still cry for that bastard.
The bus picks up again. Christ joins the burros
up ahead and never looks back. "

Well done!

best,
ljc
Once in a Blue Muse Blog
Emusing
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Username: emusing

Post Number: 2694
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 7:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Zeph, thank you! After a couple of other comments on keeping the explanation of the dagger, I tend to agree.

Lisa thanks for those kind words. I am gravitating toward that end too. Hoping to hear from a few more to help me get off the fence on a few of these things.

E
michael julius sottak
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Username: julius

Post Number: 2075
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 2:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

this if fine work E-bird,
truthfully I almost didn't read, wondered about the title, you know somepreachetouruslyprevacation, but in the end I just smiled,,, damn fine my darlin!...
Emusing
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Username: emusing

Post Number: 2698
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 7:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Jules thank you. That title is something I mulled over. It's a give away. Maybe:

At Ojinaga
The Road Down
??

E-Bird
~M~
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Username: mjm

Post Number: 6546
Registered: 11-1998
Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 3:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

A great read, E. Due to my limited time, I'm just going to make suggested edits directly on the copy. You can compare this with your own and see if you wish to keep any of what I recommend:


The shop owner paints The Day of the Dead
in miniature. Small cut-outs of Kahlo's head
float on strips of wood. A skeleton pulls
a chair up to the bar, his eyes glittering
rubies. He talks too much, prattles on
about the Ladinos, the ladies who work

on his petite theaters. There is something
condescending in his gringo skin.
The way he knows all the rituals —-
like Santa Elena de la Cruz who takes nails
from the Cross, pins her lover's heart
to make him loyal. There is a milagro —-

a Mexican religious charm depicts
a heart with a dagger in it.
"Where do you think Cupid came from?"
Twelve hours later I'm going south
on a damned bus to Zacatecas through desert
and dearth. There is trash trapped

in the ditches. Nothing changes here. The bus
slows for construction. Just enough time
to see a man emerge from the market. He looks
at me through the window, eyes rotted
from too many Coronas. I think of Christ,

how he called my cell but never left
a message. He's nailed to the wall
above my bed in room 26 at The Inn of the Nuns.
His breath seeped out of the rusted pipes.
He knows his shape was sculpted
from a six-pointed star. "Listen, God --

Santa Elena has taken a nail from your Cross
and used it to pin her lovers. Why is it they
always leave me?" I still cry for that bastard.
The bus speeds up again. Christ joins the burros
ahead, never looks back.



Hope something I've offered will help.

Love,
M

Emusing
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Username: emusing

Post Number: 2699
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 9:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Dear M,

Thank you so much for tinkering with this. I know your time is precious. Love the linebreaks. I've put the revised version up. I changed the title to The Road Down as I thought the end would reveal itself. A little unsure if I need the old title to clue the reader in. Thoughts anyone?

Love,
E
Lazarus
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Username: lazarus

Post Number: 1059
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 6:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

E-This is now a well-tuned machine delivering plenty of distance and speed- right to the heart.

Oh, and I forgot to say, love the new title!

(Message edited by lazarus on February 05, 2006)
And the earth, bristling and raw, tiny and lost resumes its search; rushing through the vast astonishment- Ted Hughes, from His Legs Ran About.
sue kay
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Username: suekay

Post Number: 97
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 8:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

E, love the revision. The new title works extremely well for me. But I also liked the original, when you have something that good, can you work it somewhere into your intro stanza? Or into one of the others, it is an essential idea to what you have here, perhaps you can drop it casually into the body of the work. Still love this,

Sue
Emusing
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Username: emusing

Post Number: 2706
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 2:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Lazarus gracias. I'm so glad the title works!

sue much thanks for coming back to this. I'm not sure how I can incorporate that in...mulling this.

Thanks all for your help. Don't know what I'd do without your valuable input.

E
Dale McLain
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Username: sparklingseas

Post Number: 1781
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 6:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

E~ I've enjoyed seeing this poem evolve from the original post. The subject matter is very intriguing to me. I think the revision is very fine and quite clever.
take care~dale
Emusing
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Username: emusing

Post Number: 2718
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thanks Dale. So there ARE lurkers out there heh heh. I'm glad you found this interesting. I recall other poems of yours on this subject. I just went where the poem wanted to go.

E
Laurie Byro
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Username: lauriette

Post Number: 1507
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 2:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

loved it all, so good

you "might" consider cutting "I still cry for that bastard"

I think it's evident that the protagonist cares

enjoyable read, beginning to end

laurie

Emusing
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Username: emusing

Post Number: 2725
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Laurie I think you may be right. Okay, I'll consider dumping the bastard. Thanks much for coming down.

E
Karen L Monahan
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Username: klhmonahan

Post Number: 674
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

E,

This is one fine poem. The pull of it is just outstanding throughout. Your imagery comes to life with, what seems to be, little effort. Well done! A great POTW, yes, but an even greater read for me.
(((smile)))
Karen
Emusing
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Username: emusing

Post Number: 2740
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 9:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thanks if the effort doesn't show, I am pleased. Your acknowledgement sooooo appreciated Karen. :-)

E

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